Clbull, Protection/Retribution Paladin social - ACCEPTED

[Clbull]

Questions for all applicants:

1. What is your name, age and location?

Chris, 19 and United Kingdom.

2. What is your characters name, level, class, spec and professions? Also list any alt's (please provide us with a link to your armoury.)

Clbull - 85 Paladin, Protection/Retribution

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/Clbull/simple

Armory link: It hasn't quite updated yet but FYI I am no longer a member of Phenom for reasons I stated later in the app.

I also have several alts such as Mindgames (Shaman), Overloaded (Hunter), Stormcross (Druid) and Worgodeath (Death Knight)

3. Why are you applying to Forsaken Enlightenment and what are your expectations from the guild?

I'm expecting a nice, friendly community, not really raiding galore because of course I'm applying as a social member, I cannot really keep up a strong raiding schedule as I have university work to prioritise especially in the second and third years coming up, and because my gear isn't quite on par with Firelands.

4. Do you know any current Guild member and how did you hear about us?

Nope, and I saw the guild on the looking for guild interface and inquired before making this app.

5. What other guilds have you been in and why did you leave them? Do you currently have any other applications pending with other guilds?

My full guild history in great detail stretches all the way back to TBC and Wrath when I was still playing on Turalyon EU (I rerolled a paladin due to issues with some players/guilds back when I was on there.

A history of the major guilds I've been in since then:

On my old realm:

Sixth House - Left after an officer raged at me for an unjustified reason, and after being shelved after one raid that led to a Curator kill.

MC Raiders - Left because they messed me around and bascially shelved me for every raid. After the third time of them promising that I'd get a raid spot and then not getting one, I simply walked out.

Shameless - Long story cut short, I was removed from the guild with little warning or explanation as to what I actually did wrong. Also had a few of their members hound me on Trade and trash-talk about me since my dismissal until mid-Wrath.

This Is Sparta - This was the point where I found raiding most fun. It was a guild that had included me in their main team, made raiding a blast and whom I had nearly cleared Karazhan several times with, then the officers get poached by another guild and me, the GM and a few others decide to merge with Strength.

Strength - They didn't raid much, plus they screwed me around with a guild merger with another guild called Marcellus. Said guild basically refused to invite me so I walked away and didn't come back.

Ostium - A guild I attempted to start. Didn't go that well and disbanded after a few exhausting Naxx raids.

Death Dancers - Was an officer and raid leader there. I eventually got exhausted of leading 4 raids a week while the other officers and GM prioritised raiding on their mains in other raiding guilds over actual guild raids.

Galactica - Did quite a bit with them but left because they had run short on members and decided to do joint raids with Shameless, the same guild I mentioned earlier.

Cynical - Got kicked after a week's trial, despite the fact that the trial period lasted 2 - 3 weeks. Their excuse was that I didn't attend any raids when in reality, I had attended but got benched for every single one.

Current realm:

Bad Omen - Left after a slump where they didn't progress that much through content and because raids were running dry.

Aeternum - If I remember correctly, they were doing a merger which I didn't want to get involved with due to my bad history of guild mergers.

Deliria - Healed 11/12 ICC-10 and 2/12 ICC-10 HC with them. Got removed after a month of inactivity when I decided to quit the game.

Phenom - Joined this guild as a social member. Left after loot disagreements in a raid I did with them.

6. Tell us what special qualities you will bring to Forsaken Enlightenment.

7. Are you interested in becoming a social or raiding member of Forsaken Enlightenment, if social thank you for your application, if raiding please complete the next section.

Social. I don't feel that in my current situation (university and all) that I can really commit to a full-on raiding schedule so it would be needless to apply here as a raider.

[Clbull]

Oh crud, I forgot to answer question 6.

I think I can bring many special qualities to the guild in terms of a social player. Sure I wouldn't be much of an asset to the raid team but I could help and socialise with guildies every once in a while.

[Kovac (Flower)]

You seem to have had a lot of disagreements with the "hierarchy" or rules of guilds, have you read the rules of this guild ? if so are you able to abide by and upkeep them?

As far as social apps go it was okay, we've had some drastically short ones;

Could I ask perhaps ask you to fill out:

"Introduce yourself, interests in music, tv, films, books, art (etc.
- any sports/hobbies?
- How would you describe yourself?
- What can you tell me about Male Night elves..?
- Have you ever name changed a character? "

Best of luck with your application

[Clbull]

Kovac (Flower) wrote:

You seem to have had a lot of disagreements with the "hierarchy" or rules of guilds, have you read the rules of this guild ? if so are you able to abide by and upkeep them? As far as social apps go it was okay, we've had some drastically short ones; Could I ask perhaps ask you to fill out: "Introduce yourself, interests in music, tv, films, books, art (etc. - any sports/hobbies? - How would you describe yourself? - What can you tell me about Male Night elves..? - Have you ever name changed a character? " Best of luck with your application

Having read the rules, I believe I can abide by them although a few seem ambiguous. I know I haven't had a really great guild history particularly where raiding is involved but I am looking just to remain on the social side of the game for the time being and not get sucked into raiding regularly again.

The rules I found a bit ambiguous and would like a better explanation of are:

Quote:

Publicly discussing a grievance, whether voice chat, guild chat or on the forums, is strictly prohibited. Failure to follow the guidelines in this paragraph is grounds for dismissal from the guild, at the discretion of the Guildmaster.

What is defined as a grievance? Do you mean only stuff within the guild or grievances with other players in general?

In my application, I only mentioned anything that even resembled a grievance with another guild or player because it was necessary when asking for my guild history and reasons I left guilds. I wanted to be honest in that respect. I didn't mean it in a badmouthy way at all although I felt if I merely said "I got removed", it wouldn't paint the full picture of what happened.

Quote:

Priority must be given to guild members when creating groups, distributing extra items, etc, over non-members. All members are to be considered equal, regardless of rank or station within the guild. While it is understandable that you would prefer to group with those you know well, remember that it is a violation of our Code of Conduct to behave in a fashion that does not consider the needs of others. Greed and self-interest are not appropriate attributes for our guild members.

Does this apply to all groups that a guild member makes whether it be 5 man instancing with a few friends or pugging a raid when not at the rank of a raider?

Quote:

You seem to have had a lot of disagreements with the "hierarchy" or rules of guilds

Cynical, Shameless and Deliria were pretty much the only times I've been removed from a guild. One of them was a very understandable reason as I did have to quit from the game for a while due to studies.

The other two were quite unjustified in my opinion.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rules of a guild. I don't know if that was the best way of putting it.

Quote:

"Introduce yourself, interests in music, tv, films, books, art (etc. - any sports/hobbies? - How would you describe yourself? - What can you tell me about Male Night elves..? - Have you ever name changed a character? "

1. I don't do much sport wise. I've never been that much into physical sports but I do take part in kickboxing classes twice a week. My other hobbies mainly involve playing video games and occasionally watching things such as anime and other shows. I used to be into art and drawing a few years ago but went out of it.

2. I can be very understanding, I do my best to abide by rules (and will definitely do so in this guild, especially when they are a lot stricter than many of the other guilds I've been in) and I try to avoid getting on anybody's bad side.

I used to take the game pretty seriously back when I was involved in raiding both in TBC and Wrath, more so in Wrath.

3. They are tall, purple, most of their haristyles involve long hair, they can be Warriors, Hunters, Priests, Druids, Mages and Rogues, they can Shadowmeld and they start in Teldrassil. Other than that, I cannot really think of anything else to answer that question.

4. I have never name changed my character. I personally didn't see why it was worthwhile to pay for that service. The only time I actually changed anything was rolling a new character (the one I'm playing now) both because I got fed up of playing a Hunter both in PvE and PvP and doing a DPS and tanking role as a DK (my alt) becase I've had bad luck with guilds on my old realm. I seeked a fresh start.

[wrifty]

no offense to you as a person but unfortunately so I do not like this application at all, does not feel as stable as an application should be. I know it's kind of my first answer on an application ..... but sorry it's a no from me in just diden't like the application at all.

[wrifty]

soz for spelling just woke up xD

[Tuishao]

Im not sure, I know your name from around but not sure if it is a good reason or bad, But you do want to join as social so we can offer you a trial of 2 weeks like everyone else and see if you fit in?.

Pretty sure that would be the best idea, you have had a lot of guilds in the past but atleast you where honest and didnt hide them and explained each one of them.

The only thing that bothers me so far is the fact you dont seem to like some of our rules? -


Publicly discussing a grievance, whether voice chat, guild chat or on the forums, is strictly prohibited. Failure to follow the guidelines in this paragraph is grounds for dismissal from the guild, at the discretion of the Guildmaster.

That one just means, if someone has upset you do not b**ch about them on vent or guild chat before talking to an officer or the gl to try and sort it out in a sensible way.

The group one, no one should be making pugs unless they are a long time member and/or an officer has we do not want to risk the chance of people ninja'ing items and causing drama and tarring our name. Which has you know is quite know for being a respectful guild, 5man groups included but only to ask in guild first, We have had a few cases in the past where people just ignored guild members and ran lots of 5man heroics with there friends outside the guild. Which is nice but when it is constant and then ignoring guildies who need help it kind of takes the p**s.

We don't care if you run instances with friends and what not, but try to remember you are in this guild and its always nice to check if someone needs a hand first.

[Rianom]

I don't usually comment on applications as it is for officers to decide, however, unfortunately, I remembered your name from a pug heroic even before I had read your application and I'm sorry to say my impression of you from that wasn't positive.

I am also concerned about the disagreements you seem to have had with your previous guilds and the fact that you are already questioning our guild rules in your application.

But I am not an officer so I will leave it to them to decide.

[Galadruin the Dwarf]

i recognise the name from somwhere, and I think it's trade chat tbh.

I am just wondering if you are one of the aggressive trade trolls, or maybe one of the humerous ones?

Anyway good luck with the app.

[Kovac (Flower)]

wrifty wrote:

no offense to you as a person but unfortunately so I do not like this application at all, does not feel as stable as an application should be. I know it's kind of my first answer on an application ..... but sorry it's a no from me in just diden't like the application at all.

Dont worry about Wrift ^^ He's a grumpy old badger man ;)

I think it's positive that you didn't hide your guild history, and that you have honestly said your reasons.

However with Peter (Tuishao's) answer's to the guild rules, are they suitable to you?

I share that annoying tingle that I've heard of you from somewhere but I can't remember why,

I agree with Peter on the trial phase, It gives you time to see if you will fit in, gives us time to learn to know you, and hopefully you'll settle in nicely into our social family.

Unfortunately... your answer on male night elves won't go down well :/...There's been a hate campaign in this guild against them... 7 people have had sex/race change because of it. Terrible times

[Tuishao]

Im race changing my hunter to male NE so its like my old one when I hit 85! :d

[Clbull]

[Bennied]

If you did not mention all the guilds you were in, this would probably be a much easier decision. Questions or your history might have come up though. I think your honesty is refreshing.. that for one is a thumb up.

The fact that you had lots of disagreements can have several reasons and maybe not all your fault. Although I do believe somebody getting in that much previous trouble should really look closely to their own behaviour too! That is beside all other things. In my country (holland) we say: high trees catch a lot of wind. If in fact u are very social, you will be very present in chat etc and therefor you might make more social mistakes or comments which will sometimes draw good and sometime bad attention to yourself. You are probably not the only one in this guild.

Forsaken Enlightenment has a good reputation and I believe it is up to all members to uphold this reputation.. if this means you need to swallow your opinion or delete a message that is not so nice, so be it! Since you go to an university i believe you do have the intelligence to just be social and have a fun time without getting in trouble here.

This guild is social, but it has a (very) strict regime. If officers or our mistress asks or tells you to do something or not do, they would rather you do it, than get an educated answer back! Remember this and you will be fine.

I do not recognise any of your alts in a bad way, so I am for a trialperiod.

[Tuishao]

Btw do you have a rogue, if so whats it called?

[Clbull]

Tuishao wrote:

Btw do you have a rogue, if so whats it called?

I have one but it's not on ED.